Episode 002 - Why do a free screening of your movie?
This is Truly Independent, a show that demystifies the indie film journey by documenting the process of releasing independent films in theaters. Each week, Garrett Batty and I, Daren Smith, will update you on our journey, bringing guests to share their insights into the process and answer your questions. In today's episode, we will talk about why we chose the date that we did. We're gonna talk about our release strategy, and especially our screening strategy. This is episode 2 of Truly Independent.
Daren:Alright. Garrett, we're back. Episode 2, we're still alive. Back home in Sacramento, if you get 2 episodes, we call that a streak. So we're on a good streak here with this show.
Daren:So let's give the listeners and viewers some context here. We're we're just under about 6 months out from the planned release of the Carpenter. So I wanna start out with okay. I mean, it's it's May 28th. Like, let's get really specific.
Daren:It's we're recording this May 28th that'll probably come out in a week or 2. But this is we wanna document where we are and how far out so that people know, oh, this is not something that you just decide one day and next week you release your movie. It's a long process. We're probably I'm feeling a little under the gun. I'm sure you are as well even with 6 months' time, remaining.
Daren:But let's start out with, like, why, November 1st? Like, we're eyeballing that date. I know you had tossed around some other dates. So can you walk us through the process that you were kinda going through the last few months talking with the financier of the film and figuring out the distribution strategy for this? Why those dates?
Daren:Why not summer? Why not next year?
Garrett:Yeah. Good question. And, yeah. So we are we are, I I don't know if this podcast will come out before the official announce date or not, but if it does, then this is the announcement. But, but, yes, we are looking at November 1st to release this film.
Garrett:And as I talk with distributors or in in the past when we have distributed content, that is one of the key questions right up front is what is the date you wanna release? And, there there are a lot of factors that go into that. You know, for an independent for an independent film specifically, we have to consider, okay, what other movies are coming out that weekend? What time of year do you want to release? Is there screen availability on the amount of screens that you want?
Garrett:Will theater bookers be willing to take a risk on on your film when they have dozens of other films that they could program? And then also what is the nature of your of the movie? You know, is the movie a fall movie? Is it a Christmas movie? Is it a, you know, big summer blockbuster?
Garrett:Is it an awards contender? So all of these questions and variables go to helping inform the date. So after lengthy conversations and going back and forth, we actually chose a date in early October. We thought okay, right now we look at we look at the slate and say okay, October 6th, I think, Joker is coming out, Joker 2 is coming out. And you'll you'll see if you go to, you know, your websites, your IMDB or whatever, there are not a lot of movies, that are releasing that weekend because of Joker.
Garrett:We I think Hollywood was anticipating that's gonna be a big tentpole and, so there's not gonna be a lot of screen space, around it and it's gonna just kind of suck up the entire audience, of moviegoers. There might be some counter programming, you might get like a Paw Patrol or, you know, a kid's movie that gets released, But but, so we wanted to steer clear from that. I think as an independent filmmaker, I look at that and go, okay. Well, the next weekend, that creates a little bit of a vacuum or a little bit of an opening because if Hollywood's anticipating that Joker is a big tentpole, the following weekend, there's probably going to be fewer releases and, there's an opportunity for an independent film to to get on some screens. So we chose a weekend, a week after Joker was released.
Garrett:As I started to kinda softly announce that and test it, I had a distributor reach out and say, hey. We have just filed a a release date with Comscore on that date that you're announcing and our films are kind of competing for an audience, they're in the similar market. So we've had lengthy conversations with this other distributor saying, okay, what what what's your film about? What's your target? Who's your audience?
Garrett:And I think these are these are open conversations but they're very behind the scenes and they're collaborative in nature saying nobody, you know, an independent filmmaker is not gonna get a Barbenheimer scenario where 2 films come out on the same weekend and they both do great. We, you know, there's a certain number of eyeballs for a niche audience and we don't want to compete with those, we want to support each other in that. And so, we decided to release 3 weeks later another great, date, November 1st, Right now, that's what we're announcing. And who knows if we'll pivot again or we'll be able to stick to it. That was a long answer, Darren.
Daren:Yes. No. I love it because it reveals, some insights about how this industry works. Like, if you think about, how the studios do it because they drive a lot of the strategy for us independence whether we like it or not, because we're constantly looking at what films are coming out in the last 5, 10 years. You really were looking at Marvel and DC and Disney and some of these biggest the biggest distributors out there, and they were announcing films 2 years out.
Daren:They said, here's our strategy for May 2025 June 2025 July 2025. You know, there are 4 or 5 movies every summer that 1 a month, You know? And they did that to kinda state claim on that weekend. Say, I think it was Marvel that really expanded the summer blockbuster season into May. And this was the 1st year in, like, what, 11 or 12 years or something like that.
Daren:I think 2,007 or 8 when the first Iron Man came out in May of that year or June of that year, where we didn't have a big Marvel release in May, and it kinda left it open. But, yeah, we're constantly looking at, okay, what's already out there because it really just highlights this is a supply and demand issue. So say that your local theater chain has, like, 10 screens. Well, if you've got a big release like Joker 2, that might take 3 of those screens that weekend. So it's not just that you're competing for 9 screens.
Daren:You're competing for 7 because one movie has taken 3 of them because that's how many people are gonna go see that movie that weekend. It's a matter of how many seats do we have, how many screens do we have, how many screenings can we do of the movie in a given day. So if a movie is Killers of the Flower Moon and it's over 2 and a half hours long, you know, you can't do as many screenings every day. But if they're still taking that theater and that screen off of the market for that weekend. And so there's a lot of inside baseball that goes into the strategy of picking a weekend to release your film because if you're gonna do 600 screens, for example, are there even 600 screens available?
Daren:Because if you have both Barbie and Oppenheimer taking 35100 or 4000 screens, that doesn't leave a lot more. I don't know if you know what the total number of screens are in the United States. I don't. But, you know, supply and demand, it's Yeah. What's that play?
Garrett:A wide release is 2,000 screens or more. So if you're saying, okay, we're gonna release our movie wide, that's that's got to take up 2,000 screens and that's, that's theaters, right, and then the theaters will put those on as many as many plays as they they they want to. So you say, okay. I think there's I don't know. You can I guess there's no way to find out except for Google, on how many screens there are?
Garrett:But we do know that in in 2,023, there were a 130 wide release films. There are only 52 weekends in the year. You're looking at more than 2 films a weekend wide releasing. Okay? And if you go to your local MoviePlex where there's more than, you know, the the the 10 screen MoviePlex, they're gonna open a wide release movie on more than one screen there.
Garrett:And so, yes, as an independent film, we are we're competing with wide release movies every single weekend of the year. So selecting a date, it's imperative that you say, what what wide release is coming out that we can counter program or, yeah, yeah, or that has made its impact and is now trailing off, and so there's an opportunity to release, you know, right on its heels.
Daren:Yeah. It's fun. We could probably spend a whole episode on it, but, if we if we do
Garrett:it a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That that's true.
Garrett:Anyway, yeah, choosing a date is important and one of the one of the first things that you need to do, and that's what we've done this week.
Daren:Yeah. So where are we at right now? What's kind of taking most of your focus? We're we're 6 months out, like we said, or just under 6 months out. What are we doing with our time, and where's all our energy going to get this movie successfully released in November 1st?
Garrett:So a couple of things are kind of, you know, wake up in the morning, and I know I have to do that day. You know, they're keeping me busy. Right now, I'm building the team. So I think I mentioned in our first episode that it's there's never just a one there's not a one man band. And as in, like, making a movie, you know, a screenwriter sits there and writes the movie and he, at that point, is he or she are working solo, and then it grows, the project grows as director, I come on board and we grow the project and it scales up.
Garrett:Our distribution strategy will will will mirror that. You know, where it's conversations right now with me and the executive producer saying, hey, here's what here's what we want to do And then now I am growing the team. I've brought, you know, I've reached out to different companies to ask them to help book the movie on the theaters, on the screens, so those companies have relationships with theaters. I've reached out and we'll and we'll bring them in to talk to them also, I think in future episodes. And then, so I've got the booking side of it and then I'm also bringing on a marketing side of it.
Garrett:And so we've been having meetings all week between the theatrical booker and the theatrical marketer to say okay who's doing what, what let's not step on each other toes or duplicate efforts, and then what is the early strategy. So we're now just kind of in the very, like, preliminary stages of developing that. 1 of yeah. And I'll say one of those things that we can talk about is we're gonna do a screening. We'll we'll do many screenings and and promotional screenings.
Garrett:Our executive producer asked to do a screening on June 6th that so that's also taken up a lot of my time.
Daren:Yeah. So that's what I wanna focus on today because, you know, from being circling and being involved in this release, that is a big part of the strategy is how do we get the movie in front of an audience? But one question we get a lot is, doesn't that dilute your audience? Like, if you're gonna show it to a couple hundred people, does that mean those people aren't gonna show up opening weekend and you're kinda giving away tickets for free? Like, what's the kind of thinking behind doing a screening?
Daren:What's the reason to do it as opposed to just focusing on the marketing and driving up a lot of demand and getting as many people there opening again as possible.
Garrett:I think you wanna give away about 10 to 15% of your product, and it and it and it grows, you know, it it it increases the demand. So, yes, if I were only trying to fill 10 screens, then, yeah, give doing doing one publicity screening would be kind of the max and hopefully that people would come out. We're trying to fill 600 screens, so we will do lots of advanced screenings, to build word-of-mouth and to create an interest. The idea is that we want to create yeah. There has to be a a big enough demand that when we do open, that there's enough positive word-of-mouth, people who've had positive experiences with the film, that there is an awareness of demand.
Garrett:You can do that through festivals or, policy screenings or test screenings, but I think so that's kind of what the family is wanting to do. There's there's value in this advanced screening if it's done right.
Daren:Yeah. I think, what it brings to mind is the idea of doing a festival Yeah. With your movie. And if you do a festival in January, like Sundance or you do our movies, the last 2 years have screened at the Zions Indie Film Fest in February. And if it's releasing in November, that's you know, what is that?
Daren:10 months gap? Like, it's too far for that word-of-mouth to carry. It word-of-mouth maybe has, I don't know, a week or 2 weeks worth of distance on it. But you're trying to stretch word-of-mouth out from a festival all the way to your opening weekend 10 months later, it's just too far removed for it to have an impact. And so the idea of we're 6 months out, we're setting up a screening that's about 5 months out from the movie, and you're planning on doing many more.
Daren:That's part of just you're building word-of-mouth to start, but then you're building on that momentum with each new screening. And then we're doing a lot to capitalize on those screenings so that we're not just screening the movie and then walking away and saying thanks for coming. Right? So we're building in things like an email list. What a novel idea of, like, we not only wanna capture the email addresses of every single person that comes to a screening, but we wanna turn that into an engaged audience of fans and movie lovers that want to help support the journey we're on.
Daren:And so we're building a little bit of a street team. We're building the word-of-mouth engine that's going to help carry us through that opening weekend. Because if we've got 10,000, 20,000 people on an email list, 30,000, 50,000 people on an email list that we can activate. It's not just because we wanna sell them tickets opening weekend, but we've been engaging them, and we've been sharing behind the scenes, and we've been telling them about the journey that we're on, and they wanna join us. Well, all of a sudden, that's essentially free marketing.
Daren:And the best form of marketing, hands down, is word-of-mouth. And so part of the strategy is going, well, how can we get the email addresses of passionate people who love the movies that we're making and putting out in the world that wanna help us make them successful. So that's a big part of the script as well with each one. You know, if it's a 100 people that are gonna attend, it's a 100 new email addresses. And you do that 10 times.
Daren:That's a 1,000 email addresses. And it may seem like a small number, but my goodness, it all it takes is one person who's got a big family and another person who's got, you know, a YouTube channel and someone else who's got a big Instagram following, and all of a sudden that compounds pretty quickly. And so that's part of the reason for doing these screenings is not just to get feedback and not just to experience the movie with an audience and get word-of-mouth, but to really build that engine that can help us in this kind of grassroots, gorilla independent marketing, because we don't have $200,000,000 to to market this movie. I don't know if we wanna talk about budget and how much we have and how much we're setting aside or what, like, is a good target for these things, but I've heard things like 50% of your production budget should be set aside for marketing. So on a $1,000,000 movie, that's 500 ks.
Daren:And a lot of filmmakers look at us and go, yeah, you're you're insane. There's no way I'm gonna be able to raise another 500 ks. But the way that you leverage small budget for marketing is to build an audience like we talked about last week or last episode.
Garrett:Yeah. I think it's imperative that, that we have to look at any any marketing effort, or any, yeah, any release effort is to build the audience for the movie. And so, yeah, and you go, okay, well screening, we are gonna give away the movie, we're gonna give away essentially a 150 tickets to this film and what are what is the cost of that? Will it cost you know $10 a ticket, So there's there's an expense for the screening for what do we get in return and it it we'll we'll get a lot of information. We'll see how the audience is gonna respond.
Garrett:If it's a positive response, then we have advocates for the movie. We've got great word-of-mouth. If it's, if it's a lukewarm or negative response, then we get to see where we need to pivot, we need to change the movie, do we need to change the messaging, you know, and how how do we do this. I think initial another thing that we will do at the screenings and you've seen this is a model that Hollywood uses where we'll get lots of pull quotes. We'll have the camera there and a little bit of a step and repeat and film people as they come out of the theater and and get, their reactions and we will use those for marketing and that those are great tools that will be shareable content that will help word-of-mouth spread.
Garrett:You can never do too much to market a movie and Hollywood knows that and they spend with that knowledge. You can certainly spend too much to market a movie, but you can never do too much, so I mean it's it's impossible to over for an independent film it's it's impossible to just over evangelize your movie.
Daren:Well, let's I wanna talk a little bit more about the strategy because that's part of it you touched on know, we're capturing pull quotes. We're setting up a camera. You you've seen the the versions of a teaser or a trailer that go out where it's just a whole bunch of people.
Garrett:And
Daren:I loved it. It was amazing. It's my favorite movie ever. You know? And you cut those together in a 30 second snippet.
Daren:And nowadays, it won't go on TV. It'll go on Instagram reels
Garrett:or something
Daren:like that. But that's fine. We're we're living the day that we live in. But strategically, like, it's actually fairly simple to set up a screening because most, if not all theaters, you can call them and say, I wanna rent your theater for a night, And they go, okay. And generally, it's like a Tuesday or a Wednesday.
Daren:It's not gonna be a Friday or Saturday evening when they're that's their big nights. They don't wanna rent a screen to you, but, for a couple 100 or a $1,000, you can rent a screen, and you can get a free service like Eventbrite, which is I think what we're using to capture emails and put up an event and say, hey, here's a landing page. If you would like to come see our movie with us, it is free, and you can bring a friend for free. You just put in your email address, and we will put your name on the list. And there's a 150 ticket capacity.
Daren:And as soon as it's sold out, it's sold out. And there you go. You put that up online, and you tell people about it, and all of a sudden, you've got yourself a screening. So what else, Garrett, am I missing as far as the strategy or the actual setup? If someone is listening to this, they go, I wanna implement that strategy.
Daren:What else do they need to do in order to get a screening, a successful screening?
Garrett:I think I think you've you've nailed it. I would add to make sure that that experience is a positive experience. Whether they like the movie or not, there should be a certain amount of of hype and enthusiasm and, responsiveness. I mean, they you're asking people to spend a couple of hours of their time to come and essentially watch your movie, you hope that the value is equal in return, and so make sure that it is. I I think also, that as people show up to the screening, I think we, you know, offer give them value, you know, have a cast or crew member there, to meet and take pictures, with with them, even have little handouts, little, you know, 8 8 and a half by 11 posters or whatever 10 by 17 posters of the movie.
Garrett:Because if if it is a positive experience for them, they will then that that poster is going on their their their wall or they're they're resharing the photos that you took of them, and your audience is growing. Another thing also is, is Right. I'm sorry, one more thing, is you're also representing to the theater owner the response to the film, so make sure that there is an audience there. And and that that might be your lesson learned, the the takeaway if you say, hey, we booked the movie in this theater and, 4 people showed up, and 2 of them I call parents, then you go, okay, well, we don't have, we we have to do more. So, yeah, use your you know, track your tickets on Eventbrite or whatever event, ticketing software you have, but make sure that if you book a screening for a 150 seats, that you make sure a 150 of those seats are filled.
Daren:Yeah. Absolutely. And that's an interesting or important insight. It's it's not just for you and the audience. It's proof because the proof is always in the results with this stuff.
Daren:So if you can show over 10 screenings in 5 months that you sold out 10 screens, any theater owner's gonna go, oh, well, I'll give you one for the weekend, and we'll see how it goes. Right? You're basically proving yourself to these bookers, to these theaters saying we're a safe bet. Because if they could have given it to another movie that's also wants to release that weekend, but they're down the the last theater, the last room, the last screen in their building. Like, it's supply and demand.
Daren:So you gotta show them, hey, we have the demand for this movie. So that's a really, really cool insight.
Garrett:You used a cool I interrupted you. But I I had a thought. You used a cool term about a safe bet. I think that also goes for the audience. I think there's a psychology in an audience to go, hey, is this movie a safe bet?
Garrett:Like, is this okay that I go see this? I mean, I I can tell you, you know, how many times do you you you get excited for a movie and then you hear somebody or or an opinion, that it didn't do well or the opposite. When when a movie does well opening weekend, you can't go on any social media without Hollywood telling you that, hey, it's the number one movie in the world or this is the number one rom com of the weekend. And the reason is because I think we as an audience, we want a safe bet. We wanna feel validated that we're making a good choice.
Garrett:And I'm gonna go, okay, I'm gonna spend $20 on a movie. I don't wanna be the only guy out there doing that, like, I mean, I'd be that, you know, whether I wanna see the movie or not, there's a certain a certain amount of, do I wanna see this movie in public? You know? Am I the only one that's gonna see this movie? And, hopefully, if you're screening, if there is an audience there, if you've done your job to get an audience there, you're already establishing precedence of this movie is something people want to see.
Garrett:I'm looking around, not at the screen, but also at the people around me going, holy cow. This is we have a moment here that's gonna that's going to escalate.
Daren:Yeah. That's brilliant. And I'm I'm really excited to see how it plays out with your marketing side of your team because that's just free content. You know, you're basically getting user generated content for free because they're sitting in a seat that you gave them. So you can film them.
Daren:You can take pictures to them, and you can get feedback, and you can get testimonials, and you can get those pull quotes. And, like, there's so much that we can do for free now. It doesn't cost anything to film someone on your phone and then put it on Instagram or YouTube shorts or TikTok or whatever it is nowadays. And that's how these things blow up and become big things. Like, you know, you look at Barbie and Oppenheimer last year.
Daren:That's the one we keep kinda referring to because it's the most recent, like, $1,000,000,000 success story. And they did a lot of really good, engagement with the audience type marketing. And those things ended up on social media, and that's what people talk about. And that's kinda how these things are driven nowadays. We're not doing radio campaigns and TV commercials for this movie.
Daren:That's not necessarily the strategy. So it's how do you get not only the existing audience that you have their emails and they're engaged with you and they know you and they attend the screening. How do you get them to talk about it? But what are the things you can do to get awareness and the algorithms on these social media platforms to pick up what you're talking about and put it in front of other people that they think would be interested? So it's a little bit of Really?
Daren:There too. So that'll be fun fun diving into that with our marketing person.
Garrett:Sure. And and we might be doing an episode after the screening that could have totally different tone. Like, oh, okay. That didn't work. So who knows?
Garrett:That's part of the the discovery, the demystifying. Hey. If we're gonna make a miss. If if there are mistakes to be made along the process, I can guarantee you we're gonna make some. And so, yeah.
Garrett:Yeah. Yeah. Stay tuned. Hopefully, this goes well. I know that we did a we released a movie in 2013.
Garrett:You mentioned, the straw top approach. And our distributor at the time, Brandon Purdy, said, okay. We're you know, we have a very, very limited budget. We have let's we're gonna do, I think 10 preview screenings, and I'm thinking, man, we're gonna give away our box office, like, 10 10 screenings, that's way too many people and, feels, you know, his his theory was kind of what we've already discussed, but and the each screening was in different cities and I showed up and he booked, you know, whatever the the smallest theater in the in the Megaplex so that we could, fill it. And then we did the Eventbrite thing, and we released a trailer online to get people excited about it.
Garrett:And then, it showed up, and in a 100 seat theater in in each theater that we did this at, there were about 200 people that showed up. And I was panicking, like, Brandon, this is, like people aren't gonna get in. They're not gonna be able to see the movie, and, what are we gonna do? And he said, this is exactly what we want, take pictures, get people up there. He says, you need to get a sign up that says right now that says this this movie is sold out, you know, sorry, you're not gonna be able to get in.
Garrett:And there's that instinct of, like, oh, are we are we are they having a negative experience with the movie? And, he was quick to point out, no, this is a very positive experience. They're getting to meet you. They're getting to meet the actors, and they will see the movie, but they they're it's it's being validated that this movie is worth seeing as it's worth their time.
Daren:Absolutely. Alright. So I'm excited. I've got my tickets, I think. I should probably go check, but I have tickets that will be there.
Daren:I love seeing our movies with people. Alright. Well, we've got 2 questions from the last episode, which I'm excited to dive into. So question 1 is, what does the distributor do? Garrett, we we spent a whole episode talking about distribute for a movie, and we we did not tell people what distribute distributors do.
Daren:So maybe involved with that question is, what do you look for in a distributor? What's the value of a distributor? But, really, like, what's the role of a distributor? You're the filmmaker, you're the producer, the writer, director, but we've got this other role of a distributor. What's their what's their role here
Garrett:in the process? Great question, and, honestly, I think one that this series will help answer. I don't know that I can necessarily answer that, accurately just because of lack of knowledge, but but also it's, in my experience, it's so wide that term distribution or distributor is so wide and I think generally we expect that a distributor is going to get your movie in front of audiences. But we can talk well let's talk specifics in future episodes about does he book does he book theaters for you? Do they book screens?
Garrett:Do they promote and market the movie? Do they handle the business side of it? Are they doing collections and settlements? All of that and in general, yes, a distributor does all of that, but we'll talk about that throughout the series.
Daren:Awesome. All right, the other question we got was, why 600 screens? You mentioned that in the last episode. That's the the target for this release. You know, you mentioned today that wide release is 2,000 screens or more, a lot of indie releases.
Daren:Sometimes you'll even see, big movies that come out and do 4 screens. You know, the first movie that I worked on that went into theaters, IFC put it into, like, 4 theaters in LA and New York for opening weekend. And then we did a special screening here in Utah, so maybe 5 screens total or something like that. So why 600? Why that number?
Garrett:Great question. And, certainly, that number may fluctuate and change, throughout, but our goal is to the the family's goal is for the carpenter to release in the fall and to break into the top 10, box office. If we do and and we have very little resources to do that. So, if we if you do a per screen average, and you look at kind of number 10, number 9, number 8 on, on your weekend box office in that in those weekends in the fall, then to have a a a per screen average of a certain amount and to to get into that top ten average, you have to have that many screens to do it. Does that make sense?
Garrett:So I'm being kind of vague, because, 1, I don't have the numbers in front of me, and, 2, I'm not going to discuss budget specifics on this movie at this point. But, yeah, if we need $2,000 per screen, if if we need to get $1,200,000 opening weekend, divide that by 600 and it equals a per screen average that's realistic for this type of movie.
Daren:Yeah. I do think we have a an entire episode plan on kind the budget and strategy and all of that and the numbers, which is the stuff I love talking about. So I I could do a entire separate podcast just on the numbers of everything, but that probably, podcast probably already exists. But that's cool. It it is a little bit of a you define the outcome, you define the goal, and you say, how do we realistically achieve that goal?
Daren:And it has to make sense, because if you're saying, oh, we're gonna have it released on 10 screens or 12 screens and have a $100,000 per screen average, that's not a thing. It's it's gotta be in the realm of possibility of what is a typical per screen average for an independent film that has the kind of budget we have. So you look at what's already been done. And yeah, you wanna shoot a little high, but you also wanna be realistic and you wanna give yourself the best shot you can. And so releasing on 20 screens probably isn't gonna get you there unless the strategy is to expand the release as you go.
Daren:But also we don't have the budget to do 3,000 screens or 2,000 screens because there is a cost associated with every screen that you have. Again, we'll talk about more that more in-depth as well, but it's, it is a little bit of a the math works out and based on the goal that we have for the release. So very cool. Look at that, man. Episode 2 in the can, episode 2 of Truly Independent.
Daren:I'm loving this so far, Garrett, and I'm really excited now that we've recorded 2 episodes, and we're gonna put them out in the world and to get the feedback from the audience and from the people that we're making this for. It's not just for ourselves. We definitely like kind of doing this stuff in public and sharing the the process and the journey, but I'm really excited to get this in front of the audience that we're making this show for and and sharing the behind the scenes with. So if you are listening to this and have not yet gone over to 3 coinpro.com/podcast, we've got some exciting free gifts for you, and that's how you can submit questions for this episode and previous episodes, and we will answer those in the future like we've done today. So thank you for listening.
Daren:Garrett, any parting thoughts?
Garrett:Definitely go to the website and, leave your email and send the questions. But, I'm I'm looking forward to, next week's episode.
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