Truly Independent: Demystifying the Indie Film Journey

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: most
people are gonna get to a point where

say, there's nothing new on this app.

I've seen everything.

I mean, people say that
about Netflix all the time.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Hello.

and welcome to another
episode of Truly Independent.

I'm Garrett Batty, and with
me is my co-host Daren Smith.

Daren, how are you?

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949:
Hey man, I am great.

Excited for today's episode.

We got a great guest with us, so
I think we should dive into it.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949:
let's not wait.

Let's not hesitate.

We wanna

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: I.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Brian.

You told me how to say it
right before this, and here I

am like totally stalling out.

You said Brazil, but with the.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
You know, if I had a dollar for

every time someone mispronounced
my name, I'd be a rich man.

Brian Luzi.

It's like Brazil with Lou in front of
it, but I don't care how you say it.

Very similar to Momi two.

I don't care how you say it, as long
as you use it, that's all that matters.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: a
trend I think right now is choosing

things that are hard to pronounce
and associating them with you.

but Awesome.

Good.

Thank you for being here.

Uh, Brian, you and I
just met Through email.

And somebody reached out.

You reached out or introduced yourself
and I was just fascinated with

what you're doing and who you are.

And thought this is gonna be
perfect to talk about, on an

episode of Truly Independent.

So thank you very much for reaching out.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
Yeah, no, thanks for bringing

me on so quickly as well.

Really appreciate it.

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: So Brian,
can you, uh, share with our audience like

a little bit about your background and
why we're having this conversation today?

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: Yeah.

So as far as my personal background,
I grew up in the film industry.

My parents met on a film set.

I kind of grew up, like my summer
camps and winter camps were very

unique as I spent them on movie sets.

It was kind of the, old school
free daycare if you will.

I think I have a first or a second ad
credit from when I was 10 years old.

And that was from getting
to order around adults.

I actually got someone from, one of the
crew members, kicked off a set actually.

'cause he wasn't listening
to a 10-year-old.

It was really interesting.

You know, I just pinged and said, Hey
dad, can you come here real quick?

And he's like, who's his dad?

The director comes through and says, oh,
you're not listening to the first ad.

All right.

You gotta go.

So.

I grew up on film sets and actually
through that was the main reason I

never wanted to get into this industry.

it sounds very odd that I never wanted
to be in the entertainment industry,

but it kind of found me again.

And that was mostly to do with just, you
know, as filmmakers most know, you're

on the road, you're out and about.

you know, sometimes there's days, weeks,
months where you don't see your family.

especially in the older days you didn't
have FaceTime and stuff like that.

So.

never wanted to get into this industry.

It seems very odd that I say
that, but love this industry too.

So it's a love-hate relationship
when I was growing up.

But now I'm fascinated with it
and especially since I get to

help in a capacity where I get to
help independent filmmakers have

their content be seen, be heard.

So you know, kind of backtrack a little
bit back to where I was you know.

Playing soccer, going to college.

I was planning on being a professional
collegiate athlete, had an injury.

shutting down my career and I had
to kind of pivot and figure out

what I was gonna do with my life.

Ended up going into the corporate
sales world for about 15 years.

Loved every aspect of it, but it was
definitely not part of my roadmap.

My plan in life was always to help people.

just whatever capacity it could be like
having a lasting impact on people's lives.

so when this opportunity came about
to run MOI two and to help build it up

from, really the ground up, at first
it was kind of like I don't know if

I want to be in this industry, right?

It was something I didn't really wanna
be a part of, but when I really sat

down with my wife, we talked about it.

It was one of those opportunities, as
I said, I can make a really big impact

on independent filmmakers' lives by
having their films be seen in a way

that's more unique than other platforms.

And, uh, really excited
to do what we're doing.

Momi two's been out for
about a year and a half now.

It's been growing steadily and I think
once people hear about it and they see it,

they love what we're doing and which is
part of the reason why we're here today.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Okay,

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: yeah.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949:
Oh, very cool.

Okay.

You've teased, uh, what we're
gonna get into, which is exciting,

very exciting, uh, hearing your.

You're growing up on a film set that
reminds me very much of, I could hear

my son saying that right now because
same thing, uh, we have footage of

him as a 10-year-old, interviewing,
like he's in the, uh, behind the

scenes chair interviewing, saying
that he is the president of the movie.

and then there's scenes of him just
playing with the, the cast and, and crew.

It sounds like you did
a lot more than that.

Uh, yours was legit, working on
a set, which is pretty awesome.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
Yeah, I mean, I think one of my

summer family trips was a month long
trip in Miami, which sounds great.

But it was really because
my dad was filming a movie,

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
so it was like, uh, oh gosh,

I'm gonna butcher the name.

And it was like the.

Bikini bed race or something like that.

I can't remember the name of the title,
but it's a really, really funky movie

back, you know, typical movie, like
early nineties, late eighties movie

about the bed races that happen in
Miami where literally, they have beds

on wheels and four dudes push 'em like a
bobsled with, girls bikinis in the beds.

And so I think I was like five or six
years old when that was being made.

quite a unique upbringing.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949:
What is this living, what is

this job people are doing?

Uh, that's, awesome.

Okay.

So, uh, and it's always, it's.

There's always a little bit of heartbreak
in me when I hear somebody that says

they kind of fell into the movie
industry or it was their last resort.

Not a heartbreak, but
just like desperation.

Like you, what, do you have any idea
how hard it is to get into this thing?

so what a, what a blessing it is that,
uh, that you have that experience

and, and have been able to be in it.

okay.

So you teased Momi two give, give
us a brief overview of what that

is and, and your take on that.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
so Tu and, and how we kind of

came to that name is, it's a very
unique name, very hard to say.

Some people say Motu if
you're, if you're Latin.

So, uh, a little flavor in there.

And, and again, it's very difficult
to say sometimes, but the reason we

came up with that name is because
it means more for me and you.

what it really is, is the more
opportunities for filmmakers

to have their content be seen.

me is actually us sitting on
the couch with you, and I'll

get back to that in a second.

the two is, is you in Latin?

Right?

So just more of a universal you,
because we want people from all

cultures and Countries really.

'cause we have like, I mean I
don't even know exactly how many

countries we have, as far as
representation on the app as well.

But we have a mixture of, you
know, domestic independent films.

We have a ton of international films.

We have classics on Momi two.

getting back to the ME is,
that is actually us hand

curating all of our content.

So when you look at Momi two for,
for both of you guys, when you,

when you log into the app, it is
the same look for both of you.

The only difference is that
you're like your favorites.

So if you create a profile,
there's a favorite section, right?

You can save some stuff for later, we
do not build things off of algorithms.

And then people are like, you
know, most people hear that.

They're like, wait, what?

using AI nowadays, right?

We don't want to, we actually want people
to discover content that they never knew

they liked, never would've been presented.

And hopefully they're down.

Like, you know, they get presented like a
Korean drama and all of a sudden they're

10 Korean dramas deep because they just
fell in love with that genre, right?

That's our goal.

And if you're a film, let's just
say you're a lover of horror

film, or you're a lover of comedy.

It's really simple just to go to the
genre section, click comedy, click

horror, and you're just immersed in
just a world of horror comedy, but

again, hand curated there as well.

So you're getting exposed to con
like for instance, horror content.

We have a great horror selection, so
you're getting exposed to horror, maybe

certain niches of horror that you're
not typically gonna click on, you get

exposed to them and you get a chance
to watch some stuff that is kind of

a little more unique than what your
algorithm typically would've presented.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949:
so if I'm listening to this just

as listeners, just for an overview.

logging onto Momi to the

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: Mm-hmm.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949:
and it's a place where I can watch

hand curated independent films.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: Yeah.

That's the simple way to put it, right?

but again, it's all hand curated by
our team, so you get presented stuff

that's unique, it's also a benefit
to the filmmaker too, because.

filmmakers will have their
metadata, listed out in, a

way that they wanted it done.

Well, that may not be favorable to
a certain app's, search engine and

how their discoverability works.

I talk to, independent filmmakers
all the time and they're like, Hey,

I've had my film on Tubi for two
years and I'm just making nothing.

And it's just like, well.

Maybe you need to switch up your poster.

Maybe you need to switch up your metadata.

Maybe you need to switch up your
synopsis or how your genres are listed.

Something like that to where it
just triggers a new, way that

people are discovering your film.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: So
I'm curious, Brian, I mean, you've

been on film sets and you kind of had,
through your dad and through probably

your own experience of made movies.

So like, it's hard enough to
make movies and then it feels

like maybe you went one step.

Harder and said we're gonna create a new
platform in the midst of, I mean, what

do we have 2000 fast channels today?

And however many different
streaming apps that are available.

So can you give us some background
as to why you chose that route as

opposed to, I'm gonna go make movies.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
Well, I'm not a filmmaker,

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: Okay.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
that's first and foremost.

but for myself, it was myself
and obviously a group of people

that came together and just said.

something that's not being done right?

Like there are these great streaming
platforms that are out there, but

again, discoverability is based
on how you use that app the things

that you like and dislike on.

You know, as you're watching things
and your watch history, and most

people are gonna get to a point where
say, there's nothing new on this app.

I've seen everything.

I mean, people say that
about Netflix all the time.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: But
it's not the case that you're presented

maybe 5% of the content if you're lucky.

And that's if you search
a bunch through it, right?

Most of the time you're not seeing
nearly upwards of 90% of the content all.

Like not even scrolling past it.

So how we get to do that is
by doing that hand curation.

It makes it unique because we do
expose you to a lot more content

you ever thought you would.

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: Nice.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: yeah.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949:
Okay, so, and where are

you finding that content?

now we're shifting into like, okay,
how do I get my content there?

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: Yeah,
so we work with right now, uh, I think

we're up to 24 now, maybe 25 different
distribution outlets of content.

So we work with distributors
that carry independent content.

I get the privilege of going to really
cool events, uh, like going to CES, going

to NAB FM, and then my favorite, which
is, uh, held in France, which is mip com.

And that's in October.

It's the largest content
convention in the world.

So I get to sit down with different
distributors who you know, work with

a lot of independent filmmakers and
we get to kind of go through their

catalog and pick and choose what
we'd like to have on the platform.

we typically look for a
lot of underserved content.

That's kind of our main focus.

We don't want to, you know, take the
brightest and shiniest toy that they

have, first and foremost 'cause they're
gonna ask a ton of money for it.

But secondly is just because.

That's not who we're catering to, right?

Like we want the people that have, you
know, had their film up for a little bit,

or maybe it's just a film that budget
was, you know, a little lower, right?

They, they struggle to make their film and
we want to be there to help support it.

So, case in point, we worked with a
company that's now called Insurgents,

which was originally called V Channels and
we brought on a film called Stupid Games.

Stupid games was made for under $10,000.

actually did an exclusive premiere for
it 'cause we love the film so much.

We just did like a 90 day release on it.

And from there that film made it
onto Tubi, made it onto the cw,

made it onto other places as well.

And then eventually, just a couple months
ago, just won a gold at the Tell Awards.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949:
that right?

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
And this is a film that was

made for under 10 grand,

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
saw it as an opportunity and said,

Hey, we'd love to represent a film
like that help it get off the ground.

So What we do, and obviously.

the film was successful on its own.

It's not, had nothing to do with, you
know, I'm not gonna say nothing to do

with us, but just, you know, it was gonna
be successful no matter where it went.

what we were able to do is go in and
say, Hey, we're gonna partner with you

to do, you know, some press releases
we're gonna get you on some podcasts.

We're gonna get some social
media presence for your film.

Get some influencers to review your film
on TikTok and on Instagram and create

some buzz about your film to where we
can drive some people to go watch it.

and it did really well for it to
the point where that then drew that

film to then get to a little bit
more success on other platforms too.

Right.

So we are a newer platform.

We're only a year and a half in, so
we're not gonna go to a filmmaker

and say, Hey, we're gonna make
you all of your money right now.

Or, Hey, we're gonna give you all of the
fame and success that you're looking for.

gonna get them jump started, we're
gonna get them off the ground and we're

gonna help them have their film be
seen, create a little SEO around it,

create a little discoverability about
it, hopefully it's successful in our

platform, but we wanna see them be
successful in other platforms as well.

So when you talk about getting the
film out to other people, we actually,

when filmmakers reach out to us, we
say, if this is something we wanna

release exclusively, we'll talk to them.

What we really try to do is get them
distribution because Momi two is not

a distributor, so how can we better
serve the independent filmmaker?

Well, yeah, we'll put it on Momi
two and get it on our platform

and get it seen by our users.

But what we really wanna do is build
up the opportunity that they can

then the proper licensing deal to
then get seen on other platforms not.

Have a distributor take too much money
out of their pocket at the same time.

'cause that's the hardest piece
for an independent filmmaker.

It's not about getting onto a platform,
it's about getting the right deal in

place to where they're gonna get paid.

and a distributor that's trustworthy
and we know the right ones that are

to work with and we know the ones that
you know, we prefer not to work with.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949:
So in that situation with uh,

stupid games, that movie, are
you guys doing a licensing deal?

Are you purchasing the movie?

What's that relationship look
like if you're then going and

putting it on other platforms?

In my mind that seems
counterintuitive 'cause you'd want

all the views on your platform.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
Yeah, so we did a unique deal with them

where it was just a 90 day exclusive.

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: Okay.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: it's
not like we didn't go in there and

say, Hey, this is a momi to original.

Right?

'cause it's not, we'd love to get
to doing originals eventually.

We need a bigger fan base.

we need a larger user base
in order to do that because.

It's not fair to us, it's also not
fair to the filmmaker and we, we

want more eyeballs on the film.

And I think over time that's going
to build a reputation for Momi

two being saying like, Hey, these
guys are out here to help the, the

underserved filmmaker get seen.

then eventually it could end
up on other platforms as well.

We're okay with that.

Because again, discoverability on
each platform is different, right?

How people find movies on Momi two
is different from how people find

movies on Tubi, how they find movies
on Plex, how they find movies on, you

know, name another platform, right?

There's,

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
There's a few.

So we did a really unique deal with
them because we didn't just help.

Get the film on our platform.

We also did a premier in conjunction with
V Channels at the time, now insurgents

and, you know, we did a premier movie
night at Harmony Gold in Hollywood.

we got them all over TikTok.

getting different people to review
their film the likes of people

that have 10, 20, 30, hundreds of
thousands of, followers, right?

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: people
that just want to hear about horror films.

So like, it worked really,
really well for that film.

Every film's gonna be different though.

It's not a cookie cutter,
like and paste situation.

Every film's different because every film
has a different type of audience, right?

I mean, there's a film that we
worked with that was really more

of a focus on Facebook because.

There were people groups that
fell in love with the film

It wouldn't have worked well on TikTok
'cause the audience wasn't there.

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: So
every film's different, every deal's

different and how we put it out there,
but it, at the end of the day, it's

all about building SEO for independent
filmmaker that they struggled just

to get the funds to make the film.

If they don't have any
money for marketing, right?

I mean, that's at the end of the day,
you need to get people to see your film.

So,

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
matter how good or bad it is, you gotta

get it in front of people's eyeballs.

And if you don't have a budget for
that, then you gotta get creative.

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: Nice.

So shifting it to kind of the filmmaker
side from Motos perspective, like

what are the qualities or the aspects
of a film that make it not just like

a good movie, but something that's
actually valuable and marketable in.

Like a niche place, like a streaming
platform or a fast channel or the

kind of channel that you guys are.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
Man, that is a loaded question.

Well, just 'cause, I

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
again, it's gonna depend on the film,

know, it's not a cookie cutter answer.

And if you take a, like I said,
like a horror film like we

had with, with Stupid Games.

We have ways that we
can get it to be seen.

You know, there's certain blogs and, and
podcasts and, and you know, creators that

are focused around that type of film.

Right.

You know, maybe even
going to what's it called?

Like midsummer, like the
different Cons, right.

To Scream and, and going to
like maybe Comic-Con, right.

Maybe that is a kind of the fit
for that type of film, right.

Depending on what the film is.

Right.

So.

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: Mm-hmm.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
Getting out there and getting creative

in that aspect, like be the way to go.

And it just, it's just
gonna depend on the film.

So there's no single way to do it.

But I will say that one of the things
I've learned over the time is that

filmmakers need to be thinking of
how they're going to promote their

films, especially if they don't have a
budget for it they start shooting it.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
when I say that, it's like,

Hey, you gotta think about.

Okay.

When you're on set for however many days,
seven to 10 days, whatever, you know.

lower budget, indie film, kind of, but
you know, kind of a schedule is right,

you know, lower, less, less amount of days
than a typical, like, larger film, right?

So you have to get your actors on
board to maybe do some like logs like.

Get in front of a little mini
camera and say, Hey, this

is what we did on set today.

is, uh, my biggest challenge today.

This is, this is the most
fun moment that I had today.

Maybe get it kind of a little bit
behind the scenes content that way.

Getting some people to just
run around with a camera while.

While you're on set, like while it
may be like a, a set is actually

being built up and saying, Hey,
this is what we're doing today.

This is, uh, this director,
the director's vision.

This is the scene we're shooting,
you know, whatever it is.

Right?

Getting some type of behind the
scenes footage to where you have the

film ready, already have say, 60 to
90 days worth of content just for

social media, you know, up and ready,
maybe you're also releasing that.

As you're filming the, you know, filming
the film, like as you're actually

getting the, getting the footage,
you're building up the audience and kind

of teasing them a little bit, right?

So there's, there's a lot of different
ways that filmmakers can get creative

as far as building up that audience
before their film gets out there.

But again, if you don't
have a budget for market.

You have to do those things.

If you're not doing them, then
your film's not gonna get seen.

it's just gotta get, you
gotta get lucky, right?

gotta get the right person to see it
and repost it and just hope and pray.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: So
did, maybe you've already mentioned

this, but are there particulars that
you are looking for when you're saying,

Hey, we're hand curating this thing and
you're, you're sitting at midcon going

through a catalog with a distributor.

What are you looking for?

You go, okay, that's something
that I know that I can get behind.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
Uh, again, not really a cookie

cutter answer, it's just kind of,
you know, when you see it, right?

Like a, poster artwork is gonna be huge.

That, that's gonna catch your eye.

I mean, no matter what, it's very
similar if you're, if you're looking

through a catalog of content versus, a
typical person just on an app, right?

What are you doing?

You're scrolling through posters,
you're scrolling through things that

like, what is catching your eye?

And so if you don't have good artwork.

Don't, don't complain that no one's
clicking on your stuff, right?

Because they don't know anything
about your film except for the artwork

or maybe the title at that point.

So get that first and
foremost, get that dialed in.

And from there, making sure that
you have a good little blurb about

what the film's about You have
to be short and concise with it.

I mean, especially with GPT
and all the other AI services.

I mean, if that's not your forte.

Shit, put your full synopsis in and say,
Hey, create me a single tagline for this.

Like, create me a single, you know,
two to three sentences that really sum

this up, that it's really eye catching.

And then.

Play around with it.

I mean, utilize those types of services.

Like I'm not big on AI as far as
like making films, but I mean, as

far as writing and getting creative
and having help with that stuff, I

mean, use it to your full advantage.

So that, that kind of stuff's huge.

I mean, I don't necessarily look for
specific names on, you know, if I

recognize a name, it's great, but.

I mean, as far as indie projects,
a lot of the stuff we have

is more like unknowns, right?

I mean, you might get one person here
and there that's kind of, you know, like

a D Wallace that jumps on a horror film
or we have a film with Helen Dy, and so

it's like, you get like little things
like that, which are nice, but they're

not typically major roles in the film.

They're just kind of more of
like just making sure their

cast is a little brighter.

Maybe their star meter on IMDB is a little
higher because of it kind of thing, right?

So.

Am not necessarily looking for that.

And then I'll also ask the distributors,
you know, it's like, Hey, what's,

something that's worked well for you?

You know?

And, talk to them.

So, getting to know your distributor
as an independent filmmaker, talking

to your salesperson, the appeal
people that's really important.

'cause they're gonna, they're gonna pitch
your film if they, if they like you.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

that's a good point.

So you mentioned then that there's a
film festival associated with it or

you've started, is that in relation to
like, Hey, we're now screening these

movies, or is that something different?

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: No,
you mean like the Momi too festival?

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah,

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
Yeah, so the Momi too.

College Film Festival.

No, that's not in conjunction.

I mean, it is for independent filmmakers,
but specifically for college students.

so this is, uh, something I saw as an
opportunity for future filmmakers my dad

went to UCLA film, so it's like, how can
I support filmmakers that were like him?

When he was in college, they used to
have to sell out a theater, right?

get a theater to take their film and
then, go on the streets and sell, you

know, three, 400 tickets at a time to
get people to come watch their film.

We can actually Thousands, if not hundreds
of thousands of people to come watch

these student short films on our platform.

So this last year was our third
season, or we're kind of technically

right in the midst of it.

So we had 83 films from 38
different colleges and universities,

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: Wow.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: that
were on our platform for an entire month.

They're still up there right
now, actually, you can still

find them on our homepage.

But, uh, these films were up for,
from June 1st to June 30th, and the

student filmmakers were actively
promoting their films saying, Hey,

my film's on a streaming service.

And there was a little bit of a component
built into that for the festival as well.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Sure.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
the, uh, we had seven categories and

those seven category winners based
on the, we had 22 judges that were

judging the films on the backend.

The seven category winners were invited
to Hollywood, and that actually takes

place this July 26th, uh, in Hollywood.

So if you're listening to this,
and it's before July 26th, go

ahead and, uh, yeah, you can go to.

our Instagram page, which is
at Momi two College Film Fest.

Or you can just go to momi two.com

and inquire about the film festival.

But, uh, if you're in LA and
you want to come watch some cool

shorts on the 26th, let us know.

We'll get you some tickets.

Uh, it's a free event and uh, we're gonna
be screening the seven category winners.

those.

come and walk, the red carpet.

They get interviewed on the red carpet.

Uh, we have Miss World America, Athena
Crosby, also does interviews at Cinequest.

She's gonna be on the red carpet doing
our interviews with the filmmakers

and with other people coming by.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: we're
gonna have them, after their screenings

are done, them on stage doing a q and a.

And then some additional awards.

So really cool opportunity.

We got some great partners.

TCL is our best picture sponsor.

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: Hmm.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: Uh,
so they're gonna be on stage presenting

a brand new television to the winner.

We got some other cool prizes like
Film U Stage, which is AI software.

We got all seven category winners are
gonna take home a package from them.

new filmmakers of Los Angeles has
dumped in a few Rising Creator awards,

so that's like a year long sponsorship
for four of the winning films.

So excited to give those away.

All the seven category
winners, take home $500 cash.

We have seven different category
sponsors that are, you know,

overseeing those as well.

So cool festival and everything
we're doing, like literally

every dollar we bring in goes
right back into the festival.

No one on our team takes a cut from it.

So,

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
It's a lot of fun.

and again, if you guys wanna
down from where you guys are,

it's a hot skip and a jump away.

But July 26th, come and check out
some short films and have some fun.

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949:
That's awesome.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949:
very cool.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: Yeah.

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: I
like the structure of that a lot.

That's super cool.

Use the web to cast a big net and get lots
of views and awareness for it, and then.

Still have an in-person element.

You're probably inviting other
platforms and other producers and

other industry people to it to say,
Hey, look, here's some rising talent.

Like I just love everything about it.

That's super cool.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
one of the coolest things that we've

partnered with insurgents again,
formerly V channels, but they are,

actually gonna be helping develop one
of the short films into a feature film.

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: Wow.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
And the, it'll

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: I.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: lower
budget, but either way, we're gonna

help 'em you know, put it together.

We'll help promote it.

And we're gonna more than likely
have it on Momi too, as either

an exclusive or as an original.

And, that student director, gets
to direct that feature film too.

So they get to make their first
feature literally Most of them

are just right outta college.

Like they just had, these are
their senior thesis films, right?

So they either graduated this past May
or June, or the previous May or June

because we, allow films to be up to two
years post grad, just in case they're

still working on post-production.

Or maybe they had, a festival run that
needed to have a premier status, right?

For like, Austin Film Festival
or South by Southwest, or dances

with films, whatever it may be.

So, we give them that opportunity to have
a full year in their festival run and then

come to us and hopefully we're, they're
kind of their, maybe one of their last

ones, but, we're more than likely gonna be
the one that gets the most eyeballs on it.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

What is it?

I mean in the 30 minutes that we've spoken
so far, I just hear thing after thing

that you are doing to help independent
filmmakers and what is it, man?

what drives you to do that?

'cause that's awesome.

As an independent filmmaker, I
think we need more people like you

or creating these opportunities.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: Yeah.

No, I just, I love, again, it goes back to
what I mentioned before is like whatever

I did in life had to be about people.

It had to be about helping others
and didn't matter what industry

it was, it just happened that the
film industry was, you know, kind

of ties back to my childhood.

And a little bit of that drive comes from,
you know, my father being that independent

filmmaker type the one that was struggling
to get people to watch their films.

And so I know that struggle.

Like I, I lived it,

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
I watched my dad try to, you

know, do creative things to
get people to watch his films.

Nowadays it's a little different because
we have the access with streaming, we

can do that a little differently and
I can take a film that's, you know,

again, made for under 10 grand and put
it front and center on my app, versus

maybe another platform won't do that.

Right?

They're gonna take the films that
they invested more money into and

put those front and center, right?

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: So
you look at a, you know, I, again, I

mentioned Tuby a little bit just 'cause
we're in their space, but I love Tuby.

But they are gonna promote a lot of the
films that they either made themselves,

Like originals or maybe things that were
made by Fox, 'cause they're owned by Fox.

they're gonna put some tentpole titles
of stuff, like maybe some nostalgic

stuff that they paid a good amount of
money for to get onto their platform.

They need to make sure they get back,
you know, the return on their investment.

Totally valid.

But that means that the independent
filmmaker who struggled to get their

film made and struggled to find the
right distributor to get it onto that

platform, may or may not get seen.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949:
are there specific trends that you're

seeing in the, you know, say you take
the short films made for 10 grand.

Uh, what are you seeing that you go,
okay, that's a trend, or that's what

people are doing now to improve their
craft or to really find an audience?

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: I
mean, that's, I don't think that's

anything that's been broken, you know,
for it's kind of a tale's old time.

any short film or proof of concept
is gonna be kind of a showcase

of what you can do and, how you
can be better as a filmmaker.

As far as what we bring onto the platform,
we don't typically bring on shorts.

You know, we have the film
festival of horse college shorts.

But, uh, shorts don't monetize
very well on ad-based platforms.

No matter if it's YouTube or
not, like, it doesn't matter.

it's all based on time watched, right?

So you're gonna get a number of ads.

That play is gonna be based
on every roughly seven to 10

minutes you're gonna get an ad
pod, and that's how you monetize.

So with a 10 minute short or 15 minute
short, or even a 25 minute short,

it's still not quite as much time
as to say a 90 minute film, right?

short films get two to three ad
pods where a 90 minute film will

get anywhere between nine and 10.

so that's just purely in volume.

So when getting onto an ad based platform
features are definitely going to better.

But as far as short films,
that's just kind of what.

Filmmakers need to do to, to
kind of hone in their craft

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Gotcha.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: and be
ready for that opportunity that comes.

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

I'm curious if there's anything you can
share, because I do think there's an

overlap with like the idea that filmmakers
need to connect with an audience, and

you mentioned the importance of that
starting from we have an idea for a movie.

Okay, well, who's the audience for this?

That needs to be like moment one.

But what are some of the things
that you and Mo and your company

are doing to reach an audience?

Because it's one thing to have 10,000
titles that you've hand curated, but

it's like that if you build it, they will
come fallacy of you might have 10,000

movies, but if no one knows they exist.

Then you have no traffic, you
have no ad revenue, anything.

Right?

So what are some of the things that
you guys have found to be successful

to find that audience for the platform?

Because I think there's probably
some overlap for the filmmakers

who are going, oh, I could maybe
implement that as I'm trying to

connect with an audience for my movie.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: Yeah.

I mean, it is, again, it
comes down to creativity.

So there, and I'll give one example from
a filmmaker standpoint and then I'll

talk a little bit about what we're doing.

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: from
a filmmaker standpoint, there is a,

forgive me 'cause I don't remember his
name, but there is a filmmaker that is

out there that has built up a community
under like a Patreon account that.

reaches out to his audience, he's
built a audience of like two to 300,000

people now that just love his work.

And this has taken time to
build up, you know, it's,

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: Mm-hmm.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
it doesn't happen overnight.

but he's done this to where he
goes and say, Hey, if you donate,

you know, $5, $10, $20, whatever,
build a budget around this idea.

And they'll go and they'll say, Here's
my story, here's, you know, kind of an

idea of like some script ideas, whatever.

This is kind of the
direction I want to go in.

And he'll even take ideas from
his community and say like,

what do you guys wanna see?

What ideas do you wanna see made?

And I'll write it.

so he's come in and say,
okay, this is the film.

Back a budget on it.

And he'll get a budget from his community.

'cause what?

You paid 20 bucks to go
watch a movie in the theater.

That you didn't have any
hands in making, right?

But would you rather pay $10 and get to
watch a film that you love, the creative

style of that filmmaker and, you love
the idea of being part of the process.

and getting to kind of see the
behind the scenes stuff through

that the making of the film.

And then you actually get to see
the finished product and they do

movie premieres, like virtual ones.

They do some in person ones.

So really cool way to
captivate an audience.

I think that was probably one of the most
unique ways I've seen a filmmaker get

involved with their community to help
make films and have the, kind of full

circle moment come with his community.

So things like that, that's
thinking outside the box.

As far as what we do at Momi two,
we focus heavily on social media,

so we wanna build up communities
that, like what we're doing right?

But we do it on Instagram, TikTok
YouTube, Reddit now, like someone

actually started a Reddit account
for us, so that's really cool.

So we've been trying to push into that.

That just started like, I don't
know what, three weeks ago.

So,

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949:
Oh, nice.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
But just someone just really loved

what we're doing and just like,
Hey, let's start an account form.

So I think that was really cool.

So we're just trying to
drive people to that.

but yeah, getting really,
really smart with social media.

'cause again, we don't have what I
call Ryan Reynolds money to start

marketing and trying to go against
the giant, platforms that have

been doing this for 10 to 15 years.

It's just, it's not realistic.

we could get a bunch of backing and go
through a bunch of rounds of raising

money, but at the end of the day.

doesn't necessarily make sense
against some large corporations

that have, ions of dollars

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: so we
get creative in that aspect again using

each individual film that we have as an
opportunity to help grow the platform.

but we don't do it in of
like thinking about us.

We do it in regards of thinking
about the filmmaker first.

helping them get their films be seen
ultimately helps us grow our platform.

So our main focus is the filmmaker.

'cause without the filmmaker,
Momi two won't exist.

But then as far as side things that
we're doing, you know, the film festival

is one of them helping out the young.

Up and coming talents get seen, and
having them help spread the word about our

platform has been a great success for us.

And it's only in its third season.

So really looking forward to
see how that develops over time.

And then most recently about, I think,
what we're, we just dropped episode

20, episode coming out this week.

Uh, I started a podcast.

Who doesn't have a podcast nowadays, guys
you know, speaking from, speaking from,

uh, experience right here, I'm on your.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
So everyone's got one, right?

So we started a podcast called The
More For Me and You podcast, and I

bring on different entertainment folks
from actors, directors, executives.

We've had some comedians on, we've
had a musician on, we bring people get

to know their journey, and we focus
on what their kind of story has been.

How they, you know, where they
came from, how they got into

this industry, what they're doing
next, and even ways to find them.

Uh, we play some fun
little games in between.

And then we do, a quick little
movie review on a movie that can be

found on Momi two that guest picks.

And then we do a little
spoiler free review on it.

So it's a fun little way to kind of, tie
in their journey, but also tie in films

that can be found on Momi two as well.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949:
Oh, very cool.

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949:
That's awesome.

Yeah.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949:
it sounds like we need to make an

appointment to listen to the podcast
and then Darren's great at games, so

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
Yeah, if you guys are in

LA I'd love to have you on.

It's, uh, it's a cool little time.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949:
that's awesome.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: we're
releasing one episode a week and you can,

find the video version on YouTube, so
you can either type in Momi two podcast

or the More for Me and you podcast.

Either way, you'll find it got that little
yellow star with the microphone in there.

And, you can also find it on the
typical, you know, if you're, purist

and you just wanna listen to the
audio, then you can go onto like Apple

or Spotify or the typical suspects.

I'm sure everywhere you guys are.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah,

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: awesome.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: we'll
put that on our, show notes as well.

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: you.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949:
very cool.

I love what you're doing, Brian,
and I wanna go certainly look

at the, app and the channel and
check out some of the films.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
Yeah, you can download.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949:
Miami movie on that?

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
Which one?

The Miami one?

No, I don't, I don't know if
we have that film on there.

I don't, I don't believe so.

I'd have to search it up, but if we do,
I'll let you know so you can take a look.

maybe I'll make a cameo here and there.

I, I was on another film that he made.

I know that we do have it was
originally called Lucas's Child,

but now it's called oh gosh.

Night of the Beast.

Night of the Beast, if you wanna
see like five-year-old Brian with

a little, with a super toe head and
some, some, some fake sheriff gear.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: I
do a couple scenes with my brother.

We got some, uh, some
toy guns and everything.

It's really funny.

it's a fun little indie film that
my dad did when, we were younger.

So he used, again, some free talent there.

Right.

Some free actors.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949:
what you have?

Yeah, we've preached that before.

Use what resources you have.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: Yep.

Exactly.

So yeah, no, he is, we've got
a few of his films on there.

I think Dilemma's another one that
was on there that he's, uh, starting

Danny Trejo and c Thomas Howell.

Yeah, one of the outsiders.

He was in that as well,

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: There's

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
although he used a, my dad had

to use a pseudonym for that one.

I think name was Eric
Larson for that film.

I don't know why some
kind of contractual issue.

So.

Yeah.

But, uh, you, uh, again, just
over 10,000 films on Momi.

a bunch of different
unique independent films.

We got some international,
just really gems, I would say

that you really typically can't
find under their platforms.

And even if you do, it's just really
difficult to come across them.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: Yeah.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: Our
international slate has just been growing.

I mean, our Korean films are taken off.

We got a really great selection of that.

The films we're getting from the UK
and from Australia have been top notch.

So.

A lot of different stuff on the app
and you can find it on any, device.

So you got your smart tv,
you got your Vizio, Samsung.

You can find it there If you're
using a Roku or a Fire tv, can

find it there as well, apple tv.

And if you just wanna take us on the go,
you can find us on your phone as well.

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: Amazing.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949:
super cool, man.

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949:
Sounds like you guys have been

busy the last year and a half.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949: yeah.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: Uh,
yeah, super busy all the time and, uh,

on top of raising a three-year-old too.

So, you know, life is, uh,
life is crazy every day for us.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949:
You go, you're a future ad.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: Exactly.

Right.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949:
years you'll be ADing

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
don't know.

I mean, in the sense of, me running
mom to maybe he'll be a future intern

or something, a marketing intern,

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949:
There you go.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
put 'em on a,

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949:
Give them a TikTok account, and

then you never know what'll happen.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949: Exactly.

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: Amazing.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949:
This has been fantastic.

It's so cool to see other
supporters of independent film

and independent filmmakers.

And, uh, thank you for all you're doing.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
I appreciate it.

garrett-batty_1_07-14-2025_100949:
our listeners check out Moto for sure.

bryan-louzil_1_07-14-2025_090949:
Absolutely no, thanks for having

me on guys, and thanks for making
it such a quick turnaround as well.

I mean, we literally just talked last
week, so really appreciate you having

me on and, uh, again, I'm more than
willing to come back and talk some more

shop down the road, maybe after our
festival or maybe when we have another,

uh, you know, exclusive premier come out.

daren-smith_1_07-14-2025_100949: Awesome.

Thanks man

, daren-smith_2_07-14-2025_111037:
that was nice.

garrett-batty_2_07-14-2025_111037:
Tons of information there, right?

daren-smith_2_07-14-2025_111037:
Well, it's just like, you know,

we always talk with our guests in
between recording this end thing.

We don't just kick them
off and then keep talking.

I told Brian, it was really nice that this
wasn't just a sales pitch for Mo Mitu.

He is genuinely interested in providing
information, helping people navigate

this crazy complex industry that
we're in and make sense of it all.

I just really appreciated that
about the conversation today.

garrett-batty_2_07-14-2025_111037:
I'll tell you what though, it sure

works as a sales pitch for MOI too.

I agree with you.

He was not salesy at all, but, as we
were talking, I'm logging onto MOI

too and finding out more about it, and
it seems like a neat opportunity for

independent filmmakers to get their

daren-smith_2_07-14-2025_111037:
They've figured out how to

benefit both sides, right?

He's not paying, upfront
licensing fees to get movies on

Mo Mitu, but they're investing.

Time dollars and relationships into
getting more awareness for each movie that

comes on their platform, which benefits
both sides, they need the ad revenue

coming in and that gets boosted when you
have more views and more people watching

and more minutes watched so what they're
doing for themselves to benefit themselves

is all spending benefiting the filmmakers.

Here's me doing the sales
pitch for me too now.

I like the model.

I think it's pretty clean, here's
something I'd push to you to get

your thoughts on about this whole
streaming world, there's like

over 2000 fast channels already.

With tens of thousands of movies,
or hundreds of movies per platform.

As a filmmaker, does it make more sense
to get on as many platforms as possible,

or does it make more sense to just get on.

One or two and have like, you've got
it on Angel, you've got it on Amazon,

Apple TV and YouTube for purchase.

And besides that, stream it on Angel.

Where do you think fall on that spectrum
of let's get it at as many places

as possible versus as few so that
we can focus our marketing efforts.

garrett-batty_2_07-14-2025_111037: I think
it's a little bit of a heavier question

because it depends on the lifetime
of the film on where you are on that.

daren-smith_2_07-14-2025_111037: Mm.

garrett-batty_2_07-14-2025_111037:
This is our premier exclusive, we're

launching it this year, and I think you
do wanna be on one of those premium, name

brand channels that, draws attention.

It's an easy answer, to the question that
you always get where can I see your movie?

daren-smith_2_07-14-2025_111037: Yeah.

garrett-batty_2_07-14-2025_111037:
See, you know, it's hard to say, oh,

you can see here and here and here.

Or if you're a subscriber here
that you say, oh, it's on Amazon.

Oh, great.

I was telling Brian in the post.

Recorded interview I've got a fast channel
that just picked up my first film from

2009 doing a premier release in August,

daren-smith_2_07-14-2025_111037: Wow.

garrett-batty_2_07-14-2025_111037:
For this very fun family comedy.

After about three or four years of
your movie being out there available

on one of those premier channels.

You go to every single streamer and
platform that you can, it's about these,

I dunno, little residual amounts that
come in you can then shift to your

investors to continue to recoup the movie.

daren-smith_2_07-14-2025_111037: Yeah.

Well, and that's where having a really
good distribution partner or sales

agent comes into play because then
you're not thinking about, when's the

exclusive window up on this channel?

And when's the licensing
deal on this channel end?

They're gonna be constantly.

Putting it in front of, other vendors
and other partners that could stream your

movie or sell your movie or distribute
your movie, and they handle that for you.

One of my questions to him was are
filmmakers coming to you direct?

He's like, yes, but I'm always putting
them in contact with distributors

that we like because we're one
channel and we want them to be on.

Tens of channels.

They'll connect them with a filmmaker
or with a distributor, with a sales

agent to be able to say, yeah, let's
get you in as many places as possible.

It's a cool model.

I'm excited to see how they grow
especially their festival, sounds

like they put a lot of thought
into that to provide opportunities

for filmmakers to get exposure
awareness and awards it's very cool.

garrett-batty_2_07-14-2025_111037: Yeah.

I love it.

Well, good.

Daren, anything else
that you're working on?

Do we need to shift gears and talk about,
the fund or, how you doing with that?

daren-smith_2_07-14-2025_111037:
The fund is, charging ahead.

I am hosting a three day producers
retreat here in Utah in September.

As the audience has grown, there's been
some questions about like, Hey, are

you ever gonna do an in-person event?

And so this is that, find me online
and message me if you're interested.

If you're a producer and you'd
like to come hang out for three

days at Sundance in September,
we could do that and it'd be fun

garrett-batty_2_07-14-2025_111037: It
sounds like, we could find out lots of

information on that, on your LinkedIn.

daren-smith_2_07-14-2025_111037: Yeah,
it's been fun putting that together

because it's an interesting way to
think about releasing something.

It started with who's interested in
something like this, and I just put a

link in my email list in a newsletter
and said, who's interested in this?

Like, 40 people clicked on the
link and got tagged that way.

I was like, oh, okay,
there's some interest.

Then I went the next step and
just to those 40 people sent

them a link and said, if you're
interested, here's a quick scorecard.

Tell me what would make this worthwhile,
and put down a hundred dollars deposit.

And then seven out of those
40 people put a deposit down.

I started with those seven people.

I said, Hey, there's enough interest
for me to move forward with this.

If you want to get your ticket, you're
first in line because you put a deposit

down I had four people buy a ticket, so I
was like, okay, that's pretty good numbers

and a pretty good process for like.

You wanna gauge that there's
enough interest before you invest

time and effort into doing that.

I didn't put together an itinerary
timeline, schedule or location

when I sent out the initial
links and the deposit link.

So it's a cool way to test the idea
start with your log line and go out

to the industry and your friends and
family and be like, here's a movie I'm

thinking about, and gauge their response.

And if everyone's like, oh, cool.

And that's it.

Then maybe that's not the the
idea, but if you're just like, oh

my gosh, I've never heard anything
like that, that sounds amazing.

You might be onto something.

Then go to the synopsis, then
go to an outline, then write the

script once people have given you
money for it, hope that's helpful.

garrett-batty_2_07-14-2025_111037:
I love it.

Sounds like another episode idea.

daren-smith_2_07-14-2025_111037: Happy
to talk about in-person events, which

I think we've done a little bit of,
but this is a different kind of bigger

event, more involved, more immersive,
and so it's gonna be fun to put together.

garrett-batty_2_07-14-2025_111037:
It's the opposite of, if

you build it, they'll come.

You found them and now you gotta build it,

daren-smith_2_07-14-2025_111037:
There you go.

garrett-batty_2_07-14-2025_111037:
which is great.

daren-smith_2_07-14-2025_111037:
We need to do a screening of Faith

of Angels one night at the event,
we need to make that happen.

garrett-batty_2_07-14-2025_111037: Oh,
well i've had lots of people reach out

daren-smith_2_07-14-2025_111037: Yeah,

garrett-batty_2_07-14-2025_111037:
Let's do it.

daren-smith_2_07-14-2025_111037:
that'd be awesome.

garrett-batty_2_07-14-2025_111037: Okay,

daren-smith_2_07-14-2025_111037:
Well, there we go.

There's an update.

garrett-batty_2_07-14-2025_111037: Yeah.

Good update.

Thanks.

I'm glad you're doing well and look
forward to chatting with you next

daren-smith_2_07-14-2025_111037:
Thanks, man.

Talk soon.

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